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Post by Valchion on Nov 27, 2011 23:46:29 GMT -5
I'm not the best to handle that subject, but I know that Flik was trained in Yahoo. The only names I remember him mentioning from way back when are TRUE (The_TRUE_Sign_Of_Darkness) and another named Madruk. But beyond that, I don't remember who actually taught him.
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Post by GuestLysander on Dec 4, 2011 18:37:06 GMT -5
I wasn't really trained, so to speak.
When I first started, years and years before most people who think they met me in my youth of fighting were even around, I just stumbled on a bunch of people fighting. I watched them, studied them - and found it interesting. So, I asked for information. I was rewarded with a link to the 'rules' of the time period, which was about a year and a half pre-Eden. I learned, and got to fighting.
You could say I trained myself, or those few people who were fighting and gave me the link that gave me the information I needed were the people that trained me. I don't know, it's however you want to look at it, I guess.
You could also argue that after I would quit for months at a time, and come back to new rules, that the people who taught me those rules were my trainers.
In which, of course, you could say Lance, MG, Ukyo, Justin Gunshin, Rias, and about a thousand others were my trainers. I don't consider anyone my trainer, though. For the purpose that they never really taught me things I didn't know in the conventional sense, anyway.
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Post by Dexter on Dec 5, 2011 2:58:36 GMT -5
Actually, Lysander, that's one of the main ways on-line fighters begin their training. For whatever reason, you find yourself in a place where people are text fighting, and it catches your interest. Someone tells you about it, and you want to do it too, so you start learning how to do it. That's the information exchange, and one of the reasons why textual combat has been practiced for so many years.
You said you were given a link to the 'rules', so to speak, and then you started training yourself from there. I was trained differently, as I was never given a link to the rules. I first learned the rules from my teacher, and then afterwards he uploaded the rules to my computer. I spent a great deal of time learning from my teacher, every single aspect of T1 during a simulated 1-vs-1 realtime battle.
While I was still training with my teacher, he introduced me to another on-line fighter who he said was his teacher. The other fighter I met was like my grandmaster, so to speak. I continued my training with both of them, until my teachers felt that there was nothing else they could offer me. Afterwards, I started going to different websites and training with different fighters, though most of them were more like sparring partners than actual teachers. It's always been one of my past-time goals to become the best T1 fighter.
I'm familiar with MG and Ukyo, though we don't appear to be on very good terms. MG never seemed to be on very good terms with my teacher either, so it's not really surprising. Lately, a few people have been challenging MG's honor and credibility, saying that he's been making false claims and accusations. Me personally, I've never fought the guy, but I'm also skeptical about his reputation. I've also lost favor with a lot of members and staff from HoRP as a result.
I've heard of Rias before too, he used to train with my teacher using a style he called Adanced Auto (AA), a style which my teacher eventually taught me as well. I have to admit that I'm not really much of an AA fighter. I've always been more keen towards turn-based textual combat, but my teacher always spoke about Rias with a lot of respect. He admired Rias enough to preserve the training manual written and given to him by Rias himself in 2003. My teacher combined that manual with an older fragmented set of rules created by Rias previously in 1999, and then added Rias' speed-fighting style to the official TCM archives, which I was the guardian of for many years until I started sharing it with the public. I was honored to present Rias' tutorial to the 'History of Roleplay Fighting' forum this year, and I'm sure he would have been honored as well.
^_^
Lysander, you must be very proud.
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Post by Lys' on Dec 5, 2011 12:34:51 GMT -5
Proud of what, exactly? That I wasted more than half my life with this? No offense to those of you still wasting your lives with it, or who saw it as anything more than a waste of sunlight hours on nice days, of course. But really, what about my history is there to be proud of? Nothing. I keep my other names from being heard for various reasons.
I've nothing to be proud of, in my opinion. I'm just a fighter without a cause, a warrior without honor - as we all are. There's no honor in what we do, no pride in it. There's nothing to be proud of, because we're all just losers and lowlifes wasting time and lives away.
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Post by xarchxredeemerx on Dec 5, 2011 13:20:02 GMT -5
Well, let's see, I have a decent sized list to be honest. k', here we go.
Nero: An ex overlord who had been known for his fighting back around refuge chat started to notice that I had potential to do great things in the realm of speed fighting, which I had always been into with my clan "Death's Hand." He started to train me which i quickly ascended past my master's speed.
Overlord Clan/Cain: After proving myself worthy, Cain had taken me in as an overlord, though being one of the slowest ones, he decided, along with Adrian and Cody that they were going to train me to get better, which was my prime where I defeated Shadow Manductor and other high tier'd fighters.
Lance/Adam: I list these two here because Lance has given me quite a bit of influence in the way that I fight as well as Adam being one of the main people that I train with on a regular basis.
I have had a lot of encouragement from people like Violet, Amicus, and others that notice that i still have potential, so with that potential, I train on my own nowadays.
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Post by Dexter on Dec 6, 2011 5:18:07 GMT -5
Well, Lysander, I'm sorry you feel that way. I myself have been practicing turn-based textual combat for a little while now, and it doesn't make me feel like a lowlife or a loser, so I don't know what caused you to feel that way. I like to think of textual combat as a sort of gamer tradition. Does it make you a good fighter in real life? No, but it's no different than playing a video game, or a board game. I don't see how playing any game would make you think less of yourself, simply because there aren't as many players. I for one am proud to be a part of the on-line fighting tradition. I consider it a game of wits and strategy, and I'm honored to have met and sparred with some of the other players in the field.
^_^
You should be too.
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Post by Dirge on Dec 6, 2011 19:00:28 GMT -5
PS: He's trollin'. He knows he's wasted more time than all of us in it.
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Post by Stalker on Dec 7, 2011 11:16:50 GMT -5
1. Jason has no life. 2. Arch, make your own thread. 3. Dex, Jason doesn't need wit, he has Wikipedia. 4. HOOT 5. Jason's entire fighting career in one picture:
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Post by Dexter on Dec 7, 2011 17:20:05 GMT -5
Perhaps they should hold an on-line fighting contest which involves posting huge meaningless JPG images that have been uploaded from photobucket. It appears that textual combat is no longer based on one's integrity, honor, and skill level. Instead, it's about flaming, trolling, and trying to negate what others have learned through meaningless knowledge. So perhaps there should be a tournament which seperates this from that, since it appears that nowadays you're only "cool" if you have the biggest JPG image on site.
Actually, there's already a group of people working on building another forum similar to HoRF (actually it's the original TCM), which was a secret at one time, but I guess now that the cat's already out of the bag, it really doesn't matter. The new forum is going to be moderated 24/7 by people who actually care about textual combat enough to address these issues. I think it's pretty safe to say by now that HoRF has finally out-done its usefulness. All it's really good for now is the tiny little group of people who still use its forums to update their scores. Other than that, I really don't see a point in being here any longer. I've got the information I needed out of this site, so now I can return to my own community, which is far more advanced.
I would've continued to hang around and spar a little bit, but nobody ever accepted my TB challenge, so I'm going to leave HoRF while I'm still undefeated. Now, if anyone asks you who trained you, you can just say that Dexter did it, because every single legitimate tutorial on HoRF was posted, not by Quickhand or somebody else, but by me. So who trained you how to properly use T1, T2, T3, Auto, AA, and Freeform? I did. So don't bother trolling, because I won't be here to see your messages.
Take care and good luck.
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Post by Dirge on Dec 7, 2011 17:37:13 GMT -5
PS: Dexter takes it too seriously.
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Post by Darth on Dec 7, 2011 18:29:02 GMT -5
Perhaps they should hold an on-line fighting contest which involves posting huge meaningless JPG images that have been uploaded from photobucket. I wonder; are you constipated? Because - and let me use a crude metaphor here - you've been sitting on the pot trying to pass the same shit for weeks, if not months. I reckon you've got to be tired of that by now. It's never been based on those things. Not objectively. It's based on whether or not you enjoy yourself. How you enjoy yourself is a personal issue. If you enjoy it by taking it seriously, more power to you. But if you can't handle that people might enjoy themselves in a manner different than your own.. Fuck off, I guess? I don't really know what else to say - you get so immensely butthurt over anyone disagreeing with you, your methods, or your views, that I honestly don't see how or why you actually try to move outside of your usual circles. You have the thinnest skin of anyone I have ever seen on the internet. Bar none. Someone posts a picture being facetious or just to take the mick? GOD FORBID, THOU HAST WOUNDED ME VERILY SO WITH THINE DISHONOURABLE CONDUCT, YE VILE KNAVE. I SHAN'T TARRY IN THE COMPANY OF SUCH ROGUES AND ROUGH MEN. Because, you know, this isn't the internet, or anything. People are going to cut up, they're going to take the piss, they're going to jerk you around a little. It's called a sense of humor. You seem to have lost yours at some point, and decided you'd be best off replacing it with a sense of hugely unwarranted self-importance. We can all see how well that's worked out for you. If you don't find it funny - hey, that's your call, but getting bent out of shape over it isn't really going to do much other than make you look like a tool. If your response to someone posting a vaguely funny, mildly appropriate image in the context of a discussion is to act like it's the equivalent shame of an Olympian athlete caught getting a needle full of Sustanon jammed in their ass, then you're getting riled up over some pretty petty shit. Really, it's not that serious. I promise. The world won't be ending because someone posted a meme image. Or, to make my point way more succinct: Lighten the fuck up and don't take yourself so seriously. You'll probably do wonders for your blood pressure, not to mention you'll look like far less of a prat. Take the hobby seriously if you want.. I guess. Whatever. But do everyone who has to deal with you a favor and get off the fucking high horse. You've got no business riding it, seeing as how all of your sense of self-importance in these discussions is based on smoke and mirrors. Or maybe people should learn to accept that not everyone is going to have their panties in a bunch over a hobby on the internet. If you want to take it all so seriously, be my guest - but don't get all offended when you run into people who don't share your views (i.e. what you've done in every instance that such a thing has occurred). Okay? It's funny that you expect people to care. Just like you have these phantom people who "look up to you." Who probably don't exist. Wonderful. You can do yourself a favor and stay there, that way you don't get the shit banned out of you in some other forum like you did on Guild. In other words, you finally realized that you're not going to pass the shit I mentioned previously, so you're finally getting off the pot. Personally, I'm just here to take the mick out of people like you as a nice warm up for my research projects. I do all my roleplaying and actual contributing elsewhere. That's what I'd say to, if all my attempts at flaunting a self-conceived sense of superiority got me fucking clobbered in every argument I stepped into. In other words, that's exactly what I would say if I were you. Just in case you didn't catch the gist of my meaning. That's funny. You tried to challenge me on Guild, and when I responded to it, you backed down. I asked you to explain to me why I ought to fight you, why I ought to bother. Would it be entertaining, or fun? What were you, as an opponent, that would make me want to fight you? Your response? No comment, apparently. Not that it was surprising - you knew as well as I did there was no reason why I would ever want to fight you, because unlike you I didn't walk out of that debate with my e-pride wounded. The only challenge you ever threw my way came out of the sole fact that you didn't like how I trounced you in the debate on Guild, and when I challenged you to look outside of that situation for a reason for us to fight.. you came up short. Because - unsurprisingly - you're an egotistical fucking prat. Rather than fight for fun or for the experience, you'd sooner do so to avenge your wounded pride because you've got the ego equivalent of an ivory tower, and when someone sends that tower a-wobblin', it makes you real fucking upset. You can claim not to have an ego all you want - but someone without an ego wouldn't be trying to issue challenges because they got slapped around in an argument. You wouldn't look to settle them in the first way that can immediately soothe your ego once its feathers got ruffled. I also noticed even though you claim no one "ever accepted" your challenge, you also didn't step up to fight Quickhand in TB, even though you like to talk a lot of trash about the guy. You sure like to do a lot of talking without a whole lot of walking. Not that I care, personally - this shit is all pretend. Cops and robbers. Winning, losing, it's all sixes and sevens to me; I don't much care either way. I'm just taking the piss because you're providing the opportunity by the way you act and by the flawed logic you attempt to apply to everyone except yourself. It gives me a good mental exercise for when I have to do my actual work. Why would I want to tell someone I learned how to roleplay from some overly pretentious prat? I think I'd rather just get on with roleplaying. That's a fucking laugh. Here, I'll compromise: if I ever decide to go about the internet on a high horse with the sense of humor of a fucking rock, I'll let them know Dexter taught me all about how to go about it. Enjoy your circle-jerk.
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Post by Sadara Uchiha on Dec 15, 2011 10:51:03 GMT -5
Valdimir: When I First started rping, he beat e to no end. I followed him everywhere being I was Sasuke (blue Font) from myspace He taught me alot, the basics and structure of fighting and I will always thank him for that.
Shonengetsu: That man there, by god he's is the smartest man I've Ever known and had the pleasure of working with. He makes me smile even on my worst days, always telling me, one day you'll get there, It takes time. He and the rest of the zodiarks looked at me as The baby that they all had to nurse. Which in a logical sense I was, because I couldn't properly defend myself. This man showed me determination and ambition. And for that I thank him.
Darkslayer: That fucker there, I hated him for everyday I knew he was alive, he shonengetsu and my father Shadin, all pummeled me into the dirt 3 vs 1. Only with one saying "If you're tired of being beat, fight back with everything you've got." Those words drove me mad, because no matter how hard I tried I never could do it. But time went on and the fighting continued, but this man I grew attached to, somewhat making my own mold of himself upon me. I started to become like him in a sadistic way and He loved it. In fact he said it was like looking into a mirror. Darkslayer and I used to go at it, alot and I could never beat him, even on day he was slow I couldn't touch him. But he's had a great influence on my life alot.
Violet/Wendigo/Liliana: This woman Here, I swear she tormented me so much, that I literally wanted nothing but to see her get drug into the dirt. But we have alot of history, she's trained me on and off and drops by every now and then to speak words of wisdom on me. And when she speaks I mostly Listen because, It's not Everyday, you have a friend, who at a whim can snap your neck and you do nothing about it. But point of the matter, is, She's showed me Structure and a few tricks of the trade, and I appreciate he alot for it. Which makes all for better, no matter how Much I improve, She'll still tell me I suck, because I guess that's her way of saying, your still not good enough, so you have to push harder.
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Post by Lys' on Jan 2, 2012 23:25:22 GMT -5
Failure.
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Post by Bice on Jan 4, 2012 2:35:05 GMT -5
I present agreement to that claim.
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Post by Blue Lightning Flik on Jan 4, 2012 22:31:52 GMT -5
BlueLightningFlik: Flik was never "trained" in the traditional sense. History tends to skew things as time marches on. To say that Flik trained WITH TRUE and Madruk would be infinitely more accurate than to say he was trained BY them. He fought with them in the late 90's of Yahoo chats, and while they developed the knowledge that he already posessed, they in no way trained him in fighting or imparted any skills he didn't already have. Flik trained himself in 1995, as the creator of T2 style of combat, and subsequently began training his fellow RPers at the time. BlueLightningFlik and the man named Blake Hardman are not the same, in any way. Who Blake Hardman is and how he became credited with the creation of T2 a full two years after its implimentation remains a mystery to those that were online in the mid-to late 90's. As for who Flik has trained, it's hard to say. Anyone who has fought in T2 has utilized Flik's ideas and core combat implimentation, and thus, can in their own right claim to be his students. Ultimately at the end of the day, the question is answered and unanswerable at the same time. Who trained BlueLightningFlik? BlueLightningFlik did.
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