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Post by maguszeal on Nov 29, 2011 15:03:54 GMT -5
I was training earlier today and I may have found a loophole in the Preps for Projectiles rule. Magus Zeal *Magus kicked his body off of the ground and dashed Skywards with his hands gripped to the handle of his scythe, in which nearing a large tree, sliced downwards on one of its extending branches, slicing it off. With his right heel, he kicked the falling branch out to Chris's face.*
Magus Zeal *The branch slammed onto the face of Chris, the impact pushing his body down to the ground before the branch rolled over his body and landed atop his head.*
In my first post, I noticed that I had separated the actual removal from the branch and the attack of the post, only separated by a period. The second part wasn't 20 words, I'm aware, however, this is the question I raise: If you were to put both prep AND post in the same post, only to separate them by a period, and have both prep and post be (however words the style is. I.e. 15 words for each in s15, 20 for s20, etc.) Would it be Valid/Legit? Eg. -His hand smashed down to the ground as his digits curled and pulled a piece of sod from the ground. From his enclosed hand, he snapped it forth, throwing the sod from his hand to his the eyes of his opponent.-
In my view, that would be a legit loophole, considering you are doing both the prep and the attack, the only difference is it's in the same post. Shall we make this a legit ruling?
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Post by Dirge on Nov 29, 2011 15:15:17 GMT -5
That's not a loophole.
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Post by maguszeal on Nov 29, 2011 15:31:01 GMT -5
So, is it legit to do so then?
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Post by Dirge on Nov 29, 2011 16:32:08 GMT -5
... No. It just isn't. If it was a loophole, it would be. The rules dictate projectiles have to be prepared, aimed and thrown, and then connected - in separate posts. Ergo, there's no loophole.
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Post by maguszeal on Nov 29, 2011 16:47:32 GMT -5
Prepared, aimed, thrown and connected? Four posts for Projectile? Fuck that. You guys are making speed fighting too much. The Old school rules, you had one prep for projectile, That was it. Now you have to prep for dodge, for range, you have to prep for prep. Fuck that. I was brought up on Logic Fighting, and I wasn't brought up on having to break my fingers just to fight. I've talked to the better half of the speed fighting community and they agree that it's too much to have 2 preps for a projectile and should stick to one, but now I see 4? No. I think not, sir. And yes, I actually converse with the better half of speed fighters, so don't go pushing me aside.
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Post by maguszeal on Nov 29, 2011 16:47:59 GMT -5
'Sides, I see it as Legit, as did Lance. So that's two people's vote against one.
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Post by Thirteen Cross on Nov 29, 2011 18:00:30 GMT -5
I say it isn't legal because no matter how large the posts are, preps are always supposed to stand alone. When you think about it, no prep was really used at all. Since periods can be used in standard posts, that's really just one long attack. Even most turn based styles require preps to have their own paragraphs. If you could somehow make two paragraphs in one attack post, I'd say go for it. But that? That's just taking a shot at moving into an era without preps, the fighting would become uneven.
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Post by maguszeal on Nov 29, 2011 18:11:52 GMT -5
As opposed to what fighting is now, Thirteen? Honestly, it would be a step up back to the way we used to fight.
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Post by Amicus on Nov 29, 2011 18:18:52 GMT -5
lol
It's not four posts, it's three.
<Bob's claymore swept against the underfoot, dislodging a chunk of granite from its surface.> - prep <With a jolt of his sword, Bob unleashed the dollop of rock for the face of his opponent.> - attempt/aim <In a reign of deadly-ore debris, the granite clashes against the face of his assailant, ravaging the flesh with contusions and lacerations.> - connection
It's the same as any other projectile, whether just an inanimate object or some form of magic. You have to deploy your assault, attempt it, then connect.
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Post by Prettz on Nov 29, 2011 21:14:27 GMT -5
I say it's legal so long as the word requirements are met. Whether the prep and attempt are separated by a 'post' or by a 'period' does not matter (at least to me).
In fact i like it better that way because it doesn't give your opponent the ability to pretype a dodge. I don't know if it's as much a loophole as it is an interpretation of the stated rules.
C ya in another year or so when I post next.
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Post by Dirge on Nov 29, 2011 23:01:13 GMT -5
I did say aimed AND thrown. That's in the same post, so yes, it's three posts.
Hi & bye prettz. o/
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Post by Dexter on Dec 6, 2011 19:44:26 GMT -5
After looking over the rules and seeing Dirge's post, I've decided that Maguszeal did "not" find a new loophole...
However, if you do ever find a loophole, be warned. Loopholes are not a good thing, nor should you try and use them to your advantage. On the contrary, loopholes are a very bad thing, and if I ever seen a loophole in the style I've been using, I would immediately stop using it and probably switch to a different style. If you ever see a loophole in any ruleset, my advice to you would be to quarantine that system, expose the flaw and destroy it immediately before others it spreads like a wildfire.
Loopholes are not your friends, they are your enemies. Recognize the enemy before it gets too strong. Destroy it before it even has a chance.
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Post by Dirge on Dec 6, 2011 21:08:58 GMT -5
No, exploit bugs and get banned by Blizzard!
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Post by Stalker on Dec 7, 2011 10:42:35 GMT -5
Although Prettz raises a valid point about this theoretical style of attacking impairing people who typically like to pretype their blocks, it can also be exploited to the effect of launching overly complex and varying attacks that can make typical dodging unfair to those who grind it out with pure speed. For instance, if one only depicts their prepped attack in the sense of a proper noun, i.e. a Kamehameha not described as a beam (This is just a rough example)
; Bringing his hands backwards near to his waist, the Saiyan summoned a bluish mass of energy. Pushing his hands forward, the energy would be converted into a Kamehameha aimed for Bob's torso to engulf a significant portion of his body. ;
If someone does not have prior knowledge of what a Kamehameha is and the attack isn't necessarily just 'energy' anymore, the attacker surely has the advantage if he is familiarized with typing the word Kamehameha wherein the defender might stumble. Perhaps in range this would be less of an issue because making such a lengthy post would be difficult, but when out of range, it would be exploited and abused on opponents amidst ranging. Without AAA enabled, such a rule would never work fairly so I'm opposed to it highly.
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Post by Lys' on Dec 9, 2011 3:50:28 GMT -5
I'm opposed to the idea that a period somehow dictates the end of a post.
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