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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2010 1:21:38 GMT -5
Type Two
Style One - Type Two
* Attacking * Defenses * Killing T2, or Type 2, commonly known for being the speed style of fighting. This style is often accompanied with a word limit for the minimum amount of words a person is expected to use in each line. Most of the time, this will come to be the tradition 7-10-7 style. It is important to take into consideration when studying the T2 style that it is seldomly now used in role-play and has been reduced to a novelty act practiced predominantly in OOC spars. This style was used exclusively in the original Jacmus, but progressively lost its popularity when more people became irritated with those who abused it with raw speed, allowing their accuracy and style to atrophy. We at Jacmus-Prime urge any who take up this style not to perpetuate its decay, but to strive for style and skill as well as speed in your T2. Attacking.
Here are the requirements for an attack: A - Describe where you are attacking; and the opponents name.. B - Describe what you are attacking with. C - Describe how you are attacking. Attempt The first number of the trio -7- represents how many words are needed minimum for the attack This line must be proceeded by a colon, to be registered as a legal action. Rhysstan 's arm extends, pushing outwards, extending his sabre to Dalmuros' gut. Connect The second number -10- of course is the amount of words needed to make an attack, -connect-, or to actually do the damage to an opponent. Once again there must be a colon present before the attack, so it is recognized as a legal action within the combat. Remember: an attack only counts if both an attempt and connect are typed before an opponent defends against the attack. -< Below- Now if there was no dodge made to the aforementioned attack, a connect line could look as follows: Rhysstan:'s rapier plunges into the gut of Dalmuros, tearing through the flesh of his stomach. Defenses:
Here are the requirements for a defense: A - State direction. Forwards, backwards, left, right; etc. . B - State the action being done. Step, walk, run, sprint, roll, dive; etc. C - State what she is doing it with. Body to dodge, weapon to block, etc.. Moving/Dodging/Parrying And finally the third number -7- once again would be the defend/dodge line. Many of the more skilled fighters in T2 use this as perhaps the most important part of their fighting. If done correctly, this can induce an opening ( IE: They might swing at air, or something else, leaving them quite open. ). Now there isn't much restriction on this, as it can simply be; ducking, jumping, moving to the side, or knocking an attempted attack away. This must be done in the middle of an attackers -attempt- and -connect- line. Now since the days of yesteryear, this has also become the -movement- line, in which many of the older T2'ers and even younger ones alike, now, use to confuse their opponent, clear distances, or merely to change which side is being attacked on their opponent. Now in between the attack already stated, Rhysstan's dodge to that attack might have looked something like this one. Dalmuros: steps inwards, swinging his scimitar from a lower position, dragging it upwards at Rhysstan's chest. Rhysstan: Swings his sword downwards, the blades collide, pushing Dalmuros' sword away. Counterattack; Now there is the counterattack line. It requires 12 words ( Yes, we know it isn't stated in the number count, but it is normally recognized throughout the RP ers as legal. ) It's basically the mixture of one of above dodges/parry/etc. and an attack. And yes, as with all actions, once again, the colon is required. This also has changed and manifested in the ability to move-attack, rather than the dodge-attack, only, that it used to be. Rhysstan: deftly steps left of the blade, arcing his own blade out to Dalmuros' chest. Rhysstan would then make that connect as normal. Killing: Now after a while of fighting, you might want to end the fight. This can be done through anything from knocking an opponent out, all the way up to and including death. It is as follows. 5 Normal hits must have been completed as stated above on any single target. Then deal a fatal hit, as per normal but describing a killing blow stab in the heart, snap a neck, decapitation, etc. Rhysstan: Slices his sabre left to right, across for the neck of Dalmuros. Rhysstan: tears the blade into Dalmuros' neck, ripping clean through it, the head rolling off as the blade exits the opposite side. Remember: Adding Rp into these lines helps to describe the settings, the damage you do, playing the damage you take, and many other things more clearly, and is approved of by many of those who use this chosen style. Meanwhile things such as fillers, ( in a blur, in a flash, sighs and shakes his head. Are among the common ones used in T2 lines. ) are frowned upon, and should not be used.
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Post by Nathan on Jul 24, 2011 14:43:58 GMT -5
This is an interesting tutorial, Revolutionary, thank you for sharing it. Allow me to share with you what I have now, as the so-called "ORIGINAL" T2 tutorial you posted is similar, yet different from the original T2 tutorial I have in my possession. I got my tutorial from OverWorldRP.org, as it belonged to the person who wrote the timeline for your website, History of Roleplay Fighting. Again, Wesley (aka Aou Long, aka Dionysus, aka Goutetsu, aka Kanretsu, aka Heiryou, etc. etc.) is the only person I could find anywhere on the internet who actually posted a copy of the original T2 rules, exactly as I remember them being on Eden Era's website. Interesting enough, Wesley claimed to have trained with a guy named Dalmuros, who's name is actually mentioned in the T2 rules you have posted. Perhaps these are the same two people? Any ways, I wish Wesley was still around because there are many questions about RPhistory arising nowadays that only he could answer. Unfortunately, nobody seems to have liked Wesley very much, so they ran him off, and now nobody knows where to find him. But as I was skimming the internet in search of the original T2 rules, I stumbled across this post on OverWorldRP.org by Wesley: Eden Type Two By Dalmuros www.geocities.com/eden_era/T2Basics2.htmTHE BASICS FOR SPEED-BASED COMBAT T2, or Type 2, commonly known for being the speed style of fighting. This style is often accompanied with a word limit for the minimum ammount of words a person is expected to use in each line. Most of the time, this will come to be the tradition 7-10-7 style. ATTACKING Attempt: The first number of the trio -7- represents how many words are needed minimum for the attack. This line must be proceded by a colon, to be registered as a legal action. Skyler_Winterborn:'s arm extends, pushing outwards, extedning his Rapier to Micheal's gut. (Please note the use of the names in names in the lines, make sure you use that in all lines of combat. It helps to determine who you are attacking, And is also commonly used as a way to know if someone is cheating or not. Believe me, it happens). Connect: The second number -10- of course is the ammount of words needed to make an attack, connect, or to actually do the damage to an opponent. Once again there must be a colon present before the attack, so it is recognized as a legal action within the combat. Remember: an attack only counts if both an attempt and connect are typed before an opponent defends against the attack. Now if there was no Dodge made to the aforementioned attack, a connect line could look as follows: Skyler_Winterborn:'s rapier plunges into the gut of Micheal, tearing through the flesh of his stomach. DEFENSES Moving/Dodging/Parrying: And finally the third number -7- once again would be the defend/dodge line. Many of the more skilled fighters in T2 use this as perhaps the most important part of their fighting. If done correctly, this can induce an opening (i.e. They might swing at air, or something else, leaving them quite open). Now there isn't much restriction on this, as it can simply be ducking, jumping, moving to the side, or knocking an attempted attack away. This must be done in the middle of an attackers -attempt- and -connect- line. Now since the days of yesteryear, this has also become the -movement- line, in which many of the older T2'ers and even younger ones alike, now, use to confuse their opponent, clear distances, or merely to change which side is being attacked on their opponent. Now in between the attack allready stated, Micheal's dodge to that attack might have looked something like this one. Micheal_Thistledown: Swings his sword downwards, the blades collide, pushing Skyler's sword away. Counterattack: Now there is the counterattack line. It requires 12 words (Yes, we know it isn't stated in the number count, but it is normally recognized throughout the Rp'ers as legal). It's basically the mixture of one of above dodges/parry/etc. and an attack. And yes, as with all actions, once again, the colon is required. This also has changed and manifested in the ability to move-attack, rather than the dodge-attack, only, that it used to be. Micheal_Thistledown: deftly steps left of the blade, Arcing his own blade out to Skyler's chest. Micheal would then make that connect as normal. KILLING Now after a while of fighting, you might want to end the fight. This can be done through anything from knocking an opponent out, all the way up to and including death. It is as follows. 5 Normal hits must have been completed as stated above on any single target. Then it must start with your average attempt. Then be followed by an extra prep line, -10- words, then finally ended with the final connect. All in all it would look something like this... Micheal_Thistledown: Swings his sword out-wards, for the neck of Skyler. Micheal_Thistledown: Places another hand on the swords handle, giving it more force as it nears Skyler's neck Micheal_Thistledown: The blade tears into Skyler's neck, tearing clean through it, the head rolling off as the blade exits the oposite side. (This is sometimes very difficult for people who are near equals in combat, and both would probably just give up, rather than go into an all out type fest, to see who can land that fatal blow). Remember: Adding Rp into these lines helps to describe the settings, the damage you do, playing the damage you take, and many other things more clearly, and is approved of by many of those who use this chosen style. Meanwhile things such as fillers (in a blur, in a flash, sighs and shakes his head, Are among the common ones used in T2 lines) are frowned upon, and should not be used. An example of a filler is on the Lexicon. Check there for more information. "Personally, I don't care about word limits when I fight T2, All I truly care about is if an attack looks good. If it has few words, but looks nice, and hits me, I'll most likely accept it." -- Juntai (Matt) Copyright © 2001 Dalmuros (Alex) All Rights Reserved. Authenticated @ 2003 Dionysus. Special thanks to Blake Hardman, the original founder of T2.
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Post by Nathan on Oct 28, 2011 8:55:49 GMT -5
Could I get Juntai to verify that above said T2 tutorial is in fact the original T2 tutorial from Eden's Era? I'd like for some sort of verification from you, since your name is on it, and since my tutorial appears to be slightly different from Revolutionary's tutorial.
Thank you.
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Post by Valchion on Oct 29, 2011 3:24:49 GMT -5
Having been from the Eden Era, that looks like the tutorial, even down to the names they use to demonstrate T2.
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Post by Nathan on Nov 4, 2011 6:17:46 GMT -5
That'll work. Thank you... ^_^
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Post by Juntai on Mar 15, 2012 11:36:02 GMT -5
One is from the Eden site one is from the Jacmus-Prime, I wrote both of these editions. Not sure why there's a thing about being copywright by Alex/Dalmuros at the bottom of it. One of you must have added that along the way to not have it removed from forums or so others couldn't claim it.
Alex did later on re-word the T2 tutorial for Jacmus-Prime around the time of the collapse of the realm[which in hindsight was childish things from a lot of different angles, but it is what it is and I still love all those people], because we were at a crossroads where I wrote a bulk of the key material at the time, and Dalmorus/Alex wrote another chunk and Tina, Dalmuros' wife, owned and operated on the site free of charge like a champion. And eventually the glue that built the best realm ever eroded... But that's neither here nor there as far these articles are concerned.
Rhysstan is my character, btw. I was prodding Alex in the tutorial I wrote when we made Jacmus because he was a very proud T2er, one of the very top of the era, and a student of mine.
So, the Eden article is older, but no more or less genuine than the other, as I wrote both a year apart [give or take] and was admin/keeper/creator in both of the realms.
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Post by Viper on Apr 2, 2012 10:02:52 GMT -5
Juntai, you seem to be well accomplished. I bet you were a formidable fighter. You should come back, maybe you can give me some competition.
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Post by Bice on Apr 2, 2012 22:06:50 GMT -5
Why would you yearn for more competition? You've already been slapped in the face by what there is currently.
If you can't handle that then sure, aim for the scraps. It seems that's your only resort anyhow. You seem fixed on the idea that MG was some sort of king at one point, and to some very conditional degree: sure he was.
The bottomline is he's just some half-pint that can't really amount to being considered one of the -best- anymore. It's already been proven, his defeats by Prettz under 5-0 more than on one occasion to his return. And mind you, these happened even with him attempting to be cheap, but he still got stomped.
People often cling to former accomplishments hoping it'll keep them safe here in the present, but for him that wasn't the case, he got squished and tossed aside. Yet he incessantly proclamated he was still the best, yet he wasn't...he simply was NOT.
Yuush, this debate has gone on for years now. And it's already been settled, the wide majority of folk don't consider him a "legend." He was good for his time, considerably one of the best.
Anyway, the lot of veterans that still exist around here can already notify you, Yuush - that you're not without competition. In fact when both you and Shane came back around, you're kind of at the bottom of the foodchain. You've got a singular style, there's nothing special about you, nothing that could possibly make you renown. Now I didn't come here to bash you, but the consistency of you dubbing others as not "competition" does get old. Especially when it's not even remotely true.
And you can start posting logs or whatever of fights you grab nowadays, and the ones you win. Chances are you've gained victory from a succession of spouting nonsense, and furthering the fact that SPEED is a mockery for good reason. The fighters are shameful. and without good sportsmanship. But it's obviously just a competition for you, not that it is wrong or anything. But when everything gets turned into a competition for speed, that's when it turns sour. When people start taking spars and training to heart, that's when you can tell things have turned for the worst.
It's apparent you lack an understanding what speed should of been to sustain any populace to further its cause. It's also obvious you're a bit clueless, since you're mindlessly idolizing MG. But then - ... you start to wonder, why is everyone gone? Why have a lot of people chosen retirement over this down syndrome game? It's virtually what MG promoted, Ukyo, Kael. And so on and so forth, this "hand to the hand of man" shit. Now I'm not saying I've never done it, sure as heck I still do it. Maybe not in serious matches, or for competition. I'll do it to train my muscle memory, or for a quick burst. And I'm not saying that those three people I named are the SOLE start of it, heavens no. We all caught onto it a little bit, for the sake so we could increase our win ratio by a tad. Then it turned into a fist-fuck of discombobulated sentences, it got repetitive and boring to others.
This site for years has been a stabilizer for MG's reign and overall Era, but others grew on to see what it was turning into - just an ego frenzy. I don't expect you or anybody to be a fantastic writer in order to be considered "good." When I speed-fight somebody, all I want is an actual sentence. That's it, just a solid sentence. A real sentence. Not a slur of words that somebody should gain credit for - cause we all know if retardation was the ticket to success, we'd do our best to become mentally inept, or entirely disabled for that matter.
Anyway, I'll shorten this up with some of the main points I was trying to get across...
MG realistically = not one of the greatest fighter, he gets an "A+" passing grade in muscle memory. But a "C+" in both writing and roleplay itself. Competition exists, you're just straying from those who can in fact beat you, undeniably so. If you're wondering what happened to everyone and everything, I've got two things to say to you 1: Take a look around. 2: Take a look at yourself.
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Post by Viper on Apr 2, 2012 23:30:12 GMT -5
Alright, I don't know for sure who you are but I'm going to assume you're Violet. Amicus wouldn't write such a retarded post. Everything you've said is a lie. You are trash, woman. I have been gone for 8 years. EIGHT years. I come back and obliterate you like its nothing. Shadow, Lysander, and Prettz got the same treatment. I have nothing against Prettz, I think he is a phenomenal fighter, and he was definitely the best fighter in the world before I showed up. Listen, if I can 5-2 Prettz on my second day from being gone for eight years, he's nothing special. On top of that, even in my prime I was unable to touch MG! Here I am, washed up, beatin' Prettz! You aren't even important. You're a newcomer, I was doing this long before you were around. You didn't see the Prime MG. You didn't see the MG that no one could beat, hell no one could even touch him. All of the great fighters can attest to this, even your renowned Prettz. He rules a weak era, who are the great fighters nowadays? Back in my day, you had Squall, Blist (Shane Walker), Kael, Hiro, Gohan, hell even Prettz(who wasn’t shit when it mattered). MG stood out above them all. Those fighters are all super top class, I mean some even top five of all time. Who in this era can compare to those fighters? You? You are scum like I said, I beat you easily. Who else is there? I don't know, but I'm sure no one is as good as the class of 2004. MG will always be the best unless Kael surpasses him. Prettz accomplishments pale in comparison to my dad's. Who did he beat 20-0? Did he rule the game for six years? Did he beat two all time greats in a 2 vs 1? What the hell has he done? He beat an old, 2012 MG. When you’re old and out of shape and you fight a prime ATG, you’re bound to come up short at some point. I know he wasn't at his best because I've fought Prettz and the speed he displayed can not equal MG's. I feel stupid even giving your ridiculous, lie infested post the time of day, you are so simple, you are a stupid piece of shit, you need to kill yourself as soon as possible. I never said he was the best at the moment, what the fuck, are you so retarded you're reading things that aren't there? What an idiot. He's the greatest fighter of all time, IN MY OPINION. Am I not entitled to my opinion? Here you go ranting about MG personally. I am Yuush, not MG. Go talk to MG about MG, quit talking shit about the man when he's not here. Wow, you are such a sorry individual. Who doesn't consider him a legend? When has MG cared about what someone thinks? I stand by him on that idea. It doesn't matter what assclowns like you think, all you do is distort the truth. As it stands right now, I have seen no one's accomplishments that are superior to his. Of course they are past accomplishments you dumb fuck, as soon as you accomplish something it becomes a past accomplishment. Lol this is funny, a forum battle. Not at the bottom of the food chain, you are since you lost to me. You talk about cheapness, and yet I found a thread where MG owned you without being cheap, yes the old washed up 2012 MG. Lol, you must feel bad. historyofrp.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=t2a&thread=896&page=1I challenged you to a fight using Perfect T2 and you still haven't accepted. You claim you can't fight short styles, another indicator of how much you suck. You are trash, one dimensional, piece of shit fighter, you are not worthy to be in the same room with anyone from my family, Amicus should disown your weak ass.
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Post by Prettz on Apr 2, 2012 23:58:09 GMT -5
You beat Prettz? Lol.
Edit: Sorry, anyone who loses to Cloud when Cloud is high can't be taken seriously. That's why I don't take you seriously.
In fact, even when I wasn't good, I still didn't take you seriously. Actually you are about the same speed as you always were: slow.
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Post by Wesley of TCM on Apr 3, 2012 0:51:23 GMT -5
Hi Prettz.
Actually, I don't know who Liliana is but she did say something which I think does make a point. She said:
As harsh as that might sound to some people, it is true, so I hope that doesn't hurt anyone's feelings. I never met Yuush before and I also never fought him, so I can't tell you how good he is or isn't. A lot of you guys (and girls) have fought one another in the past, obviously, so you know each other better than I do. What I can say however is that MG also claims to have beaten me in speed. The only problem with that claim is that I never even fought MG, and the year when me and him supposedly did fight, I didn't even practice speed. So that notion was wrong on so many levels.
When I did practice speed, it was definately a lot cleaner and more elaborate than it is now. When I practiced speed, there were rules against having too many typos, and players were often expected to make some sort of sense with their actions. Nowadays, it's all "blah lah dee blah blah" with no structural sense. So no, I wouldn't say any of these guys are anywhere near being the greatest fighters in RP history. Also, back when I practiced speed, I also was learning TB, as were a lot of fighters from my time period. Like Liliana said, these guys are linear style fighters with no real other RP skills or abilities. Not only aren't they the greatest fighters around, but they aren't even up to par with things that I myself consider to be already outdated years ago.
As for there being no competition, well, it's out there, you just aren't looking hard enough. I personally welcomed MG and all of his lackies to challenge me in a TB match, and not one of them, MG included, has ever challenged my claim at being one of the best TB fighters on MG's own website that he created. So it's not like the competition isn't out there, it seems more to me like you're avoiding the competition. I'm not in the game any more, but I'm just saying, the game hasn't changed at all really, it's still the same old group of fighters that it's always been, trying to figure out who has the biggest dick or the fastest fingers, and really all this new stuff is already old news. It's not even exciting to make fun of it any more, to be honest. It actually kind of got boring to the point where it didn't even humor me after a while. Now, it makes me yawn.
What I've seen is anything but improvement in online fighting. If anything, I would say the overall quality and skills of online fighters, especially with speed fighters, has greatly decreased over the last five years or so. You guys aren't getting any better. In fact, you're getting worse. When it gets like that, you've past your prime and now it's time to retire. Give it up old man, you're a thing of the past, even by ancient history's standards. Your methods are older than old, even. You never could change your strategy, you always kept the same mentality and never changed, never adapted, never evolved with the rest of the RP world. You're still thinking 2-dimensional in an otherwise much larger universe where people are up-to-date on fighting.
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Post by Bice on Apr 3, 2012 1:00:37 GMT -5
Again, you still haven't beaten me on remotely fair terms, Yuush. You haven't even beaten Prettz, realistically speaking.
You're probably one of the worst fighters around, and clearly my statement was correct - it is a competition to you. You blew up, you're too serious. But at the same time, nobody, NOBODY unless they're mentally incompetent can take you as a serious person.
MG came around and got decimated by Prettz, 5-0'd, multiple times, OVER AND OVER. Your MG is seriously a piece of trash compared to him. He doesn't even have a general wpm anywhere near close to Prettz's, it's absurdly and disgracefully low. I've already talked this junk to MG when he came back around, and Prettz made short work out of him. Literally, their matches were short lived - with MG getting his butt kicked in.
Seriously, you don't even understand what speed is. So since I don't partake in a style beneath S15 normally, I'm one dimensional? I can do anything above that. And with what? Generally consisting of new material, EACH TIME. I don't repeat shit over and over consistently like you do, I have something to say, not something to recycle like a fresh material destitute retard. Unlike you, I don't piss in my own mouth to keep myself hydrated - I sample from other tastes.
I never did say I was fantastic - and I haven't remarked everything MG to do is considered cheap, but his actions from ongoing years has progressingly become more diminished as a decent fighter. He turned to waste, something any of us could piss on, he was absent class.
Why would Amicus disown me for that matter? Because I decide to stick around for the sake of writing, rather than coughing up some shit anybody could find in your typical sewer? And I'm not really young to this game at all, you're just being presumptuous cause I didn't inhabit Charz. I've been around virtually for nine years, but that's only for the game of speed, that's not just the scale for my entire RP career.
Please stop trying to talk trash and throw in assumptions, when you're in the wrong. You can't beat Prettz, nor can you beat me in fair terms.
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Post by Wesley of TCM on Apr 3, 2012 1:12:17 GMT -5
Either evolve, or go extinct. That's just how it is. Back when I used to practice speed fighting, we didn't have interactive video games where you could battle all of your buddies online over the internet. That kind of technology was still in testing, so coding programs and especially speed typing became very popular, probably the basis for online fighting. Nowadays, however, we have that stuff, so instead of speed fighting, we play video games, and that gives us the coordination and reflexes we need in order to beat one another. Now if we want to be creative and write shit, and actually take the time to consider our actions, then we'll practice TB or something that requires a little more time and effort, and of course a passion for RP fighting. So it's not that the competition has disappeared, we've just moved on to bigger better things. If you have any respect for online fighting, I think you will too, eventually.
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Post by Viper on Apr 3, 2012 8:39:45 GMT -5
The purpose of us getting together and fighting was to clear all of this up, not to continue to get up here and go back and forth. You are both great fighters, I respect the skills of both of you. I don't know what's going on with this facade you're putting up, Prettz. I beat you the first night we fought in S15, and I beat you last night in RT2. You beat me also. These are facts. Why are you pretending this didn't happen? Come on man, I'm not slow. I've beaten everyone I've fought aside from Cloud and Oniwaka. The only reason I haven't beat Cloud is because we are yet to fight officially. I never lost to him when he was under the influence.
Remotely fair terms? Violet, we fought in RT2A and you came up short. What was unfair about it? You say you can't fight in short styles, but yet you did an awesome job against Shane. Quit making up excuses. You win some, you lose some.
You, like so many others I come across, are infatuated with MG. You can not dog this man out to me, I know him too well. I'll believe he lost 5-0 multiple times when I see it. Ontop of that, you have to realize that this man's prime was long ago. He's not as fast as he once was of course, that's natural. Why can't you comprehend this? Prettz beating him does nothing, he's beaten Prettz also. Come on, Violet. You seem intelligent, use your head. Let me give you a boxing reference since everyone on this site pretends to know so much about real fighting. Roy Jones Jr is considered to be one of the greatest fighters of all time, yet he is losing all of his recent fights. To bums. That's because he'd old and past his prime, these losses are doing nothing to take away from what he's accomplished. He recently lost to Danny Green, for example. Roy Jones will still rank higher than Danny Green in the Hall of Fame because he has accomplished so much more in the sport.
Do not be a sore loser. You are dogging MG when I am here beating you guys and I am a fraction of the fighter he is. I hope you understand what I am saying. I'm not going to go back and forth with you anymore. If you don't understand, then let's agree to disagree.
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Post by Prettz on Apr 3, 2012 11:36:25 GMT -5
Yuush, be reasonable. You were severely outclassed last night. You won a single match when the chat was giving me problems and I was working around them. But you can have that match. I won the other 9 matches without effort. You can claim you beat me but we all witnessed how tenuous that claim is.
For the record, just about everyone on this forum has beaten me at one point or another.
This bickering initiated when you claimed there was no competition. So far, three people have beaten you, two of which have done so consistently.
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