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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2010 15:24:24 GMT -5
Do we actually need this rule?
Lance Ryan Williams says: It has fallan apart. Look, why should I not be able to kill you right now? As if we were in real life. You cannot simply say 'well, you cannot kill me with that gun, we have to fight another way, come to me to this pool, and we will fight with sponges. ; It is the same thing for Speed Fighting Styles. 'Well, I refuse, but if you must, we are fighting RT2A.'
I have been advocating many changes within T2, but I do believe this is why fighting has been taking such a blow lately in RP. This rule not only allows my opponent to get an upper hand, but also, if a entire clan picks one style that they are good at, they can easily take another, creating unfairness to everyone except for the users of this rule.
I think it should be revamped, or completely taken out. I believe this will boost fighting's legitimacy and boost RP too. Since you would need a bodyguard if you are wanted for assassination. And organizations could form because of this, since now you have a reason to be in a group, like back then.
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Post by Valchion on Mar 11, 2010 3:28:26 GMT -5
There were always positives and negatives to the "defender's choice" rule.
Consider your "man with a gun" example. Now, instead of a fearful person having the gun pointed at them, place a man who has studied the art of disarming attackers. He has now changed the method of the fight. Instead of fighting with a gun, it's now an equal situation, fisticuffs (equal in that the two combatants have the same options to them now).
The negative was just what you described. However, back in the day, RP wasn't something that was used to effectively represent real life. Back then, if you wanted to fight against someone, you had to be prepared to fight in any style. You, as the aggressor, were effectively saying, "I'm able to kill you, no matter what." Defender's choice rule was created as a sort of equalizer: since rooms didn't have a designation on if fight styles were restricted, it made it easier.
In the long run, it actually forces you, as an attacker, to study multiple ways of combat, and not simply hole yourself in one style, in order to be prepared.
It's not a perfect rule, and yeah, I'd agree, it needs to be amended. For example, in a lot of instances where a goal must be gained, I'd enforce the Yield concept. If the target does not wish to fight, then he must yield to whatever the desire of the aggressor is. However, if he chooses defense, he's allowed his choice of style.
Something of that sort. I'm not in the right mind to really iron this out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2010 5:16:51 GMT -5
In speed fighting situation, I would rather allow defenders rule to now allow anyone to simply 'I am not fighting.'
They can either retreat in a few posts, such as three ranges, or a prepped range, or simply run to another room without instant death.
If defenders rule was revamped, then I would allow the defender to simply choice the style, even in assassination.
That is something I see as a viable asset to in the future, the allowance of assassinations in some form of another. Like if you wanted to kill someone through assassination, you had to do it by 5-6 preps, or a three prep range so the assassinatee as I will call it will be able to get ready.
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Post by MG on May 26, 2010 17:11:57 GMT -5
Just do a b03. One fight in the challenger's style, one fight in the style of the person who's challenged, and if need be one mutual style.
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Post by Shane Walker on Mar 31, 2012 4:11:44 GMT -5
The way it works, very simple, the defender chooses the style. And yes, it does take 3 preps to escape. If someone refuses to fight and not pick a style, I'd have to say they just die. Violence is just a part of RP, I believe, and you just can't ignor someone attacking you.
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Post by Inunoku on Sept 26, 2012 13:40:43 GMT -5
I agree with a defenders law, infact I think it should become common practice in Xatech fighting. Its extremely practical. Of course, the assaulter would get first hit, but because of that choice, the defender gets to even the field.
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Post by Nosaku Tyrannus on Sept 27, 2012 7:06:13 GMT -5
I like MG's idea. One fight in the Defenders style, another in the attackers -- or a medium.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 17:08:27 GMT -5
I always like the whole 'Be prepared or die trying.'
Back in the day we never really used Defender's Law in Chars, from what I remember after everyone left. There was roaming Creations ( Mark Rigid's Gang ), The Vampires under my mother and the Vampire Hunters like Cross that really went after everyone.
This was all after the wars and Tails at the time was really dead. Sadly I never went to Sailor Chat or T.M.
I wish I had though, I would have journeyed with my family and not run off to Justin Gunshin in XL to become a student. ;__;
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