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Post by Nemesis on Oct 31, 2012 20:53:05 GMT -5
The only reason I'm focusing on him is because he's the only one I recognize. Your T1 population is minimal, and this site is apparently dedicated to acknowledging skill. So I take a look around, hoping I might see a few great fighters and logs of their battles or maybe someone interesting to fight, but the only one of any repute that's actually active is a man I perceive as one who claims titles that don't rightfully belong to him.
I'm just trying to give my 2 cents as someone from a T1 fighting background, since I seem to be in the minority. I'll admit, from what I've seen of his attitude I'm quickly growing to dislike Lysander and I'll take a jab at him from time to time since he seems to love insulting people, but it has little to do with my overall appraisal of his worthiness. Skill occasionally begets arrogance, after all. Arrogance, however, is rarely born of skill.
@rias - Why should I have to impress you? If what I say makes sense, you'll see the sense in it. If you don't, you can see for yourself where I err. Renown shouldn't really be an important factor.
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Post by Lys' on Oct 31, 2012 21:00:45 GMT -5
I didn't realize that RPGChat archived posts in this manner, that was my mistake; as I've never used the site very much, my apologies.
It was two years ago, admittedly I wasn't nearly as good then as I am now.
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Post by Nemesis on Oct 31, 2012 22:09:12 GMT -5
I also read through the fights you have currently up. I've read through two of your fights so far, and skimmed a third. In two of them you used characters with a ridiculous set of abilities and the other on we've been discussing.
I'll admit it might be unfair to judge you based on a single RM match from your past, but there's precious little evidence upon which to base your skills. Experience is useful, but in T1 I find that if the foundation is shoddy, you aren't going be able to build very high. Perhaps you might be so kind as to show me the logs of a fight you won skillfully against a worthy foe?
In any case, your posts were open to interpretation. You failed to specify what hand you wielded your weapon in (rather important in a realistic melee. . .), and you directly stated your opponent occupied a position he never actually took. Throughout, Caleb rolled with it, either through ignorance or indulgence. The fact that he had to go throws the fight into question. Could've, should've would've, indeed, but were I in his place you'd have died in the second exchange.
Granted, I'm not intimate with a definitive rule list when it comes to T1; maybe those aren't actually voidable offenses. But I know enough to know that your vague methods and rookie mistakes belied your true skill at the time.
As soon as I mentioned that I think you might not be up to being recognized as one of the Top Five combatants, you called me some no name, which is obviously a big deal in your eyes. You also automatically assumed I was lying and fabricating evidence, which is an obvious slight against my character. How weren't you insulting me? If I'm as unthreatening as you make me out to be, why lash out so?
And, oh dear, I made some grammatical errors. Do you seriously aim so low?
You may very well beat me in a match; I've got a ton of option selects already lined up, but they're irrelevant. Defeating me would prove nothing, save that you're currently a better RM fighter than I.
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Post by Darth on Oct 31, 2012 22:18:36 GMT -5
Technically, there are no "voidable offenses" in T1.
Whether or not you can void a post based on provided details (or lack thereof) depends on your community's outlook. Frankly, I find the idea to be pretty fucking douchy and something done by people who care more about winning and less about having fun; if my opponents ever muss a detail or leave something out unintentionally, I just tell them and allow them to edit so we can keep having a fight.
But again, other communities see it as completely legit. But there's no - as far as I've ever known - set-in-stone rule about it because T1 rules have a pretty wide margin for variation between communities.
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Post by Nemesis on Oct 31, 2012 22:30:27 GMT -5
I'll admit it might come across as douchey, I'm simply used to fighting people where it was rarely an issue. We never made blatant mistakes that would cause two opponents to have their own separate interpretations of the state of the battlefield or their opponent. I only say voidable because errors on that level confuse the issue and turn fights from enjoyable affairs to debates.
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Post by Lys' on Oct 31, 2012 22:34:16 GMT -5
You said that in any non-power fight, i.e. a fight without "godlike abilities" I'm weak, I'm simply offering to prove that assessment incorrect by having a spar with you. Which might be fun, it might not be. I honestly find little enjoyment in any type of realistic fight - hence why I haven't had one in several months.
My last RM fight with against Musa/Brian, I don't know if you know him or not.
As far as showing you other fights where I've won - I assume you mean RM fights, since that's been the central focus of your entire...argument, we'll call it...- that may or may not be possible. Most of my RM fights were done on Realchat or MSN, my desktop logs MSN conversations, but I've not used it since I told AT&T to cut my house 'Net off back in Feb, so I don't know what is or isn't on it right now.
The laptop is a shared computer between me and my brother, though he seems to have it more often than I do, so I don't save any kind of logs on it; because I don't trust that little cunt for a whole five minutes now to read some personal shit.
Either way, I'll see what I can do.
As far as calling you a nobody and assuming you were lying; can you blame me? With so many personal attacks and attempts to discredit me having come from all angles and sides for so many years now, I kind of expect it from everyone.
And, like I said, I didn't even know RPGChat archived shit like that; I've always assumed - and been told I was correct in assuming - that once the thread disappeared off the main board, it was gone forever. So, when you randomly show up more than two years after the fact and start posting what you claim are the logs - while I'm still under the impression the logs disappear when deleted -...well, you see how it's the only logical conclusion that could have been drawn in this circumstance, right?
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Post by Darth on Oct 31, 2012 22:38:22 GMT -5
It really is pretty douchy because it's basically saying "I'm going to ignore IC circumstances because of an OOC mistake" i.e. the player, not the character, made a mistake and somehow the other character is capitalizing on it. Pretty douchy.
I mean, I've been in a fight where someone confused the direction of an attack. It came in from their right, they described as blocking to their left just because they read my post a bit too quickly or just used the wrong word on accident. If I decided to play like a cunt, I could have said "Your character blocked in the wrong direction, my attack hits!" but that would be dumb because from an in-character perspective, there's absolutely NO reasoning for why they would block an attack they can see coming from the completely opposite direction; it makes no sense when they clearly would have blocked in the right direction based on IC info. I knew it was a mistake, and instead of capitalizing on it, I let them correct it and we continued the fight. Why? Because being fair is - and should be - more important than winning.
It has nothing to do with separate interpretations, it has to do with the fact that people are human and make mistakes. People use the wrong words, leave words out, or sometimes forget to include certain details corresponding to their opponent's post. It's not misinterpretation, it's an accident. Everyone makes them. Anyone capitalizing on human error that way, imo, probably isn't worth fighting because they're not winning based on what their character is doing, but on what their opponent - as a player - did. That's like winning a fight because your opponent tripped and KO'd themselves. And in some ways, it's too close to metagaming to be considered fair because it's OOC knowledge being used IC.
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Post by Nemesis on Oct 31, 2012 22:40:14 GMT -5
It doesn't have to be RM. I just audit skill based on cunning rather than overwhelming character strength. In my experience, once your characters pass a certain level of power, two competent opponents will pretty much always end battles in a draw. I can see how you might expect it, but I'm of the mind that everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt. Just sayin'. Darth - I somewhat disagree. When two opponents perceive the the details of a fight differently, their options are altered and everything they do becomes a confused mess because they're on two different wavelengths. I get what you mean about voiding being too focused on winning, but I'm just not used to encountering a mess that would alter the outcome of a fight in such a way. When I say something is void, I just mean it would confuse the fight to where I'd want my opponent to repost or clarify. When I said I'd win, I meant within the fight. I can see exactly where he's vulnerable naturally, not because I'm a floating head controlling my character. I don't go for that DQ bullshit. As long as their mistakes don't tie my hands behind my back, I don't sweat it.
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Post by Darth on Oct 31, 2012 23:00:08 GMT -5
I'm not talking about perception; as I already said. I'm talking about an accident, which, again, was explained. A person making a wording mistake, or leaving something out isn't necessarily doing so out of differing interpretations, it can just be because they forgot, or made a mistake. It doesn't require that they have a different view of the situation. Again, shit happens, people are human.
That's also possible, but that situation is the same as if someone makes a mistake. Fighters ought to be able to have a rational, mature discussion where they sort out where their interpretations differed and then resolve the issue. We aren't children nor is one person from Mars and the other from Venus; people ought to - key word being "ought - discuss the issue and figure out where the each other stands and how they view things.
If someone sees X as Y and I see X as Z, that doesn't mean the fight is at a complete impasse. It means we should, as mature individuals, be able to step out and discuss the situation to see where our outlooks differ and then come to a compromise or correct the issue, or otherwise contact a third party to overlook the situation.
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Post by Lys' on Oct 31, 2012 23:13:04 GMT -5
Then I might be able to find you a few threads, depending on which websites are still up and running and which aren't. I clearly can't show you anything from GT 2010, since Overworld's been down forever; but there was a good fight in that where I clearly outclassed Dirge to gain the definitive win - without using obscenely powerful abilities and/or characters; since at the time Ralungor Novidah was a particularly low tier character. Most of my GT fights are out too, since they're from back when, like the people Darth mentions not liking, I cared more about winning than having fun. Though, tbh, most of my GT fights were me trolling the fuck out of Law and some other equally horrible ass clowns. OH, I know. I'll check back through AL's archives and see if I can dig up my fight against Law and a couple of other people from Round 5.8. In the meantime, enjoy this. It's a personal favorite of mine, a fight between Ran, Guts, Alucroas, Odium, Circ, and Gatekeeper(me). It's not finished, but since Odium quit, Ran hasn't posted, and Circ doesn't care anymore; it might as well be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 22:25:53 GMT -5
Now you know how I feel with Inunoku. I have been trying to shake him, but he keeps popping up annoying the shit out of me.
He literally is the old man ranting out at me like he is an oldbie, when he really isn't.
Lol.
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Post by caleb on Nov 3, 2012 17:51:15 GMT -5
I've been speedfighting since 2000 (I started on Metawerx) and stopped somewhere near the end of 2007 to halfway through 2008. I got sick in real life, and lost all my speed.
I speed fight infrequently but it's only if Vine and Amicus drag me back into it and I usually fight about 20 times then quit again in periods of...6 months to a year?
Most of you didn't even known me when I was fast or speed fought regularly.
It's weird because I remember fighting MG on AIM and I was only a second behind him, in his hayday, in a style I didn't fight and wasn't accustomed to. He even introduced me to his student "Alexandria" who was impressed with my speed and writing, and that's when I first met Jay, who she introduced me to.
I'm not entirely sure what MG's problem with me is suddenly since the last time we spoke I roleplayed with him on RC years ago with him as Achilles and me as Patroclus and we seemed to be on speaking and friendly terms. That's also why I only roleplay on chats with Vine and Amicus since everyone has some super ego and is desperate to prove they type the fastest, most incoherent sentences that are the same as they use for every fight, utilizing the exact same character who uses two things: fists and their ki.
We had different styles. I don't rely on muscle memory since I never write the same sentence twice, and utilize a bigger vocabularly in speed fighting. I don't care about winning as much as writing a good story. I can reduce my vocabulary and get a lot faster. As can Vine and Amicus but all of us refuse to lower ourselves to that.
Labefacto was the longest running clan. It's sad that most of you don't even know it's history. I wasn't its creator - Vine was. We met on AF when I was looking for Destin who I heard was bringing girls from AF to Metawerx and raping them.
This is back when I was in my prime in 2005-2006. I went there, roleplaying, and met Vine and interrogated him in a T1 fight about where Destin was. I was impressed by him and him by me and I submitted a profile to join his clan, "Labefacto Incognito," because I didn't want to play a major role in it and I wanted to remain anonymous. Vine was going on hiatus so he was giving the clan away to whoever could take it. I didn't want it, but there was nobody else worth leading it so I ended up either fighting off all the other competition or getting them to agree to my leadership. There was around ten or twelve people at the time, six of them wanted it, and I fought them off and all the Anti-Labefacto clans that popped up like thrice a day.
I expanded the Labefacto for a month or two then brought us to RC. AF was the first chat to inhabit it since AF uses the RC software and we know about it through that. The roleplay on RC was in its golden era with Labefacto's running around from room to room being assholes in roleplay and seeking out fights. People started disliking us due to certain people in the clan I didn't really have a say in being there, and created a new clan as "Zero Paragon" and brought the first numerical clan to RC. The story was the new clan came in and killed us; retired from fighting, and new groups popped up, even creating websites to coordinate fighting us (all of which I read since they invited me kekekek).
I remember fighting MG and Kael around this time but I don't remember agreeing to a deathmatch especially since it was them logging on, talking shit, and never actually roleplaying. I generally avoid fights that are products of ego and not roleplay. Vine and I would have to fight all day, every day, if we had to fight every idiot that wanted to T1 or speed fight us to prove themselves better. Then once we beat them we'd have to fight them again and again, all their alts, and if they beat us once they would declare themselves superior. Or if they beat us in speed in a style we didn't fight, or a cheapened version of it, they'd run around claiming they killed us. Sort of like MG did earlier in this thread? It isn't that either of us cared about being superior, but we were there to roleplay and only humored the rare shit talker when we felt particularly generous. Sometimes it was just more amusing to make people lick our boots before we wasted our time fighting them when it wasn't even enjoyable for us.
Anyways, back to the story... Zero loved to paint the people he planned on killing, and he planned on killing everyone so he was always busy painting if he wasn't killing people. He could never find the color red he wanted until he cut up whoever he came across with his monofilament wires. Eventually the masked Zero revealed himself to be Incognito; to the surprise of most; since everyone in the clan kept it hush hush. He had come close to being unmasked a few times, but managed to remain unmasked until finally revealing himself to the world.
It turned out that being left for dead after a fight had progressed the schizophrenia and madness inherent to his degenerating clone DNA.
Incognito came back and his Zero Paragon personality only resurfaced when the first RC war took place between RC and GSA. It was a time when Labefacto was at its weakest: Vine was MIA as were most of my skilled, trusted members like Labefacto Rosalie and Jin Kazama. Cloud Strife, his family, and other families came in swarms from GSA to fight us. The first fight between Zero and Cloud was won by Zero. The second fight was won by Cloud, I believe, and the third was in a two vs one between him, his friend Yazoo, and I. Both were held off valiantly but Zero was eventually overwhelmed. The war was fought in short, violent bursts as the battles inevitably became more personal. One of the female clan members began seeing Cloud and was immediately thrown out by Incognito. They later made a short-lived GSA Labefacto clan on GSA which the briefly returned Vine, along with Incognito, fought several battles with. The greatest Labefacto acqusition of the war was Kouki. Incognito and him became close friends over the years and Kouki fought alongside Incognito against the GSA incursion.
Most of those from GSA left, though a few skilled fighters still drifted around (Kyoshiro, Snow -etc.), and everything was quiet for a while until a big rush of Refuge / TeenChat and UG people came. This is when Incognito met Amicus. Her, Vine and I became fast friends. Amicuc joined the Labefacto and when Lvon - a famed AFer - returned due to her son Ryu Merosiky; she quickly came into conflict with Incognito. She tried to seduce Incognito but he spurned her and it ended in a violent battle that Incognito won convicningly. He offered her a chance to live as long as she would let her grudge go. She refused him. Incognito couldn't bring himself to kill her so he unleashed the newly initiated Labefacto Conundrum on her. Conundurm overpowered the weakened but still resiliant Lady Venus of Nemesis and left her dead.
Incognito began focusing his efforts on quelling the surge of fighters that had begun to migrate there. Many enemies and friendships were formed between himself and characters such as Travis DeNardi, John Paul Baptista, Rares, Randy, Rivera, Taylor Moccasins, Black Micheal, Ryan Hughes, Krl and so on.
This is around the time I got sick so the story essentially ends there. I had to quit speed fighting. I only T1ed at this point and had many encounters with other clans such as the new Numbers, who the Labefacto rose against for no other purpose than to rebel, as is their nature. Labefacto disappeared until later revived by Vine and Dani under new aliases. I came back briefly as Labefacto Vice and recruited Labefacto Matariel before leaving again. I started focusing more on the forums I went to and less on RC a lot in the later years since the people from Refuge and UG didn't roleplay. The girls from there just got naked on camera and cybered - and the guys just cybered and t2ed.
Dani, Vine and I have made countless other clans together. Vine and I have made countless clans together. I have made countless clans by myself as well. Most were just a fleeting interest and none lived as long as the Labefacto. A lot took place on other sites that we went to. Though we preferred to roleplay anonymously.
Anyways, I've left out a lot and have forgotten even more but I kept what I found the most enjoyable.
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Post by idunwannabe on Nov 3, 2012 18:22:39 GMT -5
my nigga rob linked me to this, and i'm lolling mad hard how you herbs are barking at each other over some roleplay bullshit rather than thinking about how to make dollars
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Post by Amicus on Nov 3, 2012 20:55:06 GMT -5
anyone saying that caleb lacks in the department of speed fighting or t1 skill wasn't around to witness him when he was at his prime; a lot of noteworthy fighters that are thrown into the "hall of fame" are undeserving of a spot, whereas caleb himself is actually deserving imo he's always been a fast/eloquent speed fighter who knows what actual roleplay is and always incorporates it into his battles plus caleb and vine are like on the same level of awesome in t1 so fuck ya niggas my nigga rob linked me to this, and i'm lolling mad hard how you herbs are barking at each other over some roleplay bullshit rather than thinking about how to make dollars is this guy retarded i don't even
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Post by Lys' on Nov 4, 2012 16:07:10 GMT -5
I think this guy just called us plants.
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