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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2009 22:20:06 GMT -5
If Kael came back, then we have a freaken party.
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Post by MG on Dec 3, 2009 10:56:12 GMT -5
Lance, Kael says you didn't beat him.
Kael why do you feel you should be above Atreyu? I think that in your prime you were superior to him but overall he was the better fighter. Your prime was very short lived.
I beat you 20-0 when you were at your fastest. You had just figured out some new way of fighting where you basically say the same thing in the attack and connect.
example: -sent his hand to the gut of alex -sent his hand out to hit the gut of alex
At first it was too much for me to handle because you were even faster using this method, but, as usual I adapted and won.
I'm not too sure if you beat me 10-9 two times in a row but I'll take your word for it. Either way that wasn't my prime. I look at my prime like this. Picture a graph with two lines on it: one representing my speed and one representing my fight IQ. My prime was when the two lines intersected. This happened after the fight you're talking about.
Lastly, I'm not going to beg you to come back Kael. The game misses you, it would be great to have you back, but if you don't want to come back then it's whatever.
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Post by Phoenix on Dec 3, 2009 15:47:06 GMT -5
Bra', you never beat me 20 - 0 at my fastest. At my fastest you barely kept up with me and usually managed to squeak out a 5 - 4 or a 5 - 3 consistently. And that was after you spent like the entire first half of the fight dodging until I got tired. I didn't really think about fighting too much more than speed at the time.
That said, Hiro hasn't accomplished what I have. I already outlined it in my introductory topic, but if it has to be said here, then here:
First of all I should be second on that all time list, not third. Keep in mind that my 'inconsistency' can be attributed to my willingness to fight anyone, anywhere, any time regardless of how long I hadn't fought for. Remember that time you came back and didn't train first MG? And I beat you 5 - 1 in front of everyone? Yeah, happens when you don't fight for a long time.
Secondly, aside from that 5 - 1 win there were multiple other occasions where I beat MG 5 - 1. Never 5 - 0 as he always managed to sneak in a hit somewhere. Balls. Also, in both of our primes we fought two straight battles that I won 10 - 9 to determine the best fighter at the time.
Finally, I have beaten everyone on the net more than they have beaten me aside from MG -- but I don't think it's a fair comparison as he beat me a whole lotta times training me. But whatever, that's fine. I thrashed Atreyu in his prime and, as you already said, I beat Gohan and Atreyu in a two on one. I've never seen even MG beat two of the top 4 fighters in history at the same time. That requires the kind of speed only I had.
Oh, and Lance, you didn't beat me shut up. I haven't been on in two years.
Tons of people have beaten me, sure. But that's because I have too much pride to turn down a fight when I know that I am not in fighting condition. But what is to be recognized is that even in my short spells (I would come back from say a year off and stay for only two weeks) I would quickly rise up to number one. It didn't take long. So I think that should be taken into account too.
Plus I went to every fighting site out there and beat the best there was everywhere. People still claim that Circ beat you and I destroyed him multiple times. I know that you can beat him, but I'm just saying. A lot of people recognize me as the best T2er of all time and yes, in my prime, I have no doubt that I was better than you ever were at any point. But this isn't a pissing contest and I understand that accomplishments play a factor too -- and you definitely have the list of the best accomplishments, but your #1 accomplishment on that list would have to be that you trained me.
Oh and you know that I beat you 10 - 9 two times in a row. Remember? Dyne reffed it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 16:38:42 GMT -5
The best T2st would probably go to Kael is you stuck around longer and was around; longer.
I am not bashing you, it is in the Qualifications.
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Post by Ukyo on Dec 3, 2009 17:47:32 GMT -5
like i said in the other topic. longevity, kael. you were incredibly fast for an incredibly short amount of time(in comparison to others on the top list). i think that the only reason you even sit at 3rd is just because of that speed you possessed while being at your fastest. and regardless hiro was beating you in the end, before he quit/left/got his computer taken away. w/e
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Post by Phoenix on Dec 4, 2009 10:08:37 GMT -5
Like I said in the other topic -- it wasn't a short period of time. I left and came back how many times and each time I rose to the top? Again, I was beating Rave for about a year before I stopped seeing him or I stopped coming on, so no he didn't beat me the last time we fought. One of the last times we fought was when I beat him and Gohan at the same time (a feat which alone should put me up at 2nd best, as, like I've said, even MG has never beaten two of the top 5 fighters at the same time). I don't know where you are getting your information but it's wrong.
Also I'd like to point out that Prettz should be above Ukyo.
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Post by Ukyo on Dec 4, 2009 10:44:45 GMT -5
Like I said in the other topic -- it wasn't a short period of time. I left and came back how many times and each time I rose to the top? Again, I was beating Rave for about a year before I stopped seeing him or I stopped coming on, so no he didn't beat me the last time we fought. One of the last times we fought was when I beat him and Gohan at the same time (a feat which alone should put me up at 2nd best, as, like I've said, even MG has never beaten two of the top 5 fighters at the same time). I don't know where you are getting your information but it's wrong. Also I'd like to point out that Prettz should be above Ukyo. you already pointed that out in the other topic, im waiting to hear why when i've been 5th since XFL the top 10 on XFL before there was ever even a list of any more. it actually said "I know this is a list of the top 10, but these are the only ones that matter. If you aren't on this list, you're garbage. Step your game up." and have only lost to prettz a few times since all the way back in VGC, im sure he'll be willing to back that up. and i dont mean i beat him just a few times, before i left fighting again the last time i was on, i beat him left'n'right we fought each other a ton. but i do think that prettz deserves to be number 6. and i also believe jinphen deserves to be a lot higher than he is on the food chain which i've pointed out in my own thread. but yeah jinphen is the first person i ever beat, and never lost to him again after that back in Tails chat. you know what's cool. seems like every one on the top 5 is pretty much family, we must have some good family genes.
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Post by Ukyo on Dec 4, 2009 11:17:51 GMT -5
double post:
i actually just remembered something kael, since i brought up xfl. on the top ten list on xfl you were also #3 there as i recall, and that would be around the time i remember atreyu beating you. i remember it because i remember exactly what happened. you and him were arguing and egoing on vgc so you two scheduled a fight, and he got in your head made you nervous. his exact words were "train lots, kael. you'll need it (:" and it worked. he beat you in rt2 in xfl chat, and you got mad and wanted to go best out of three, and he said he'd just let you live with the loss for a while because you were still egoing after losing. thats exactly what happened, and around that time is when he was gone for good. i dont ever recall you arguing about being third on the old list either.
another thing i remember is around that time atreyu and were going back and forth, too. beating each other i mean. atreyu was mad fast around this time, it was literally going back and forth on who won t2/rt2 and atreyu didn't complain about being second at that time.
it seems like most of us don't really care to complain about our spot on the top or something no one is really complaining all too much, excluding the fact that tala got moved up when he's horrible
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Post by Phoenix on Dec 4, 2009 12:12:43 GMT -5
He quit long after XFL not that I even remember what that is.
He was around during the Grand Tournament that Master ran as I posted somewhere else already and I beat him almost every time at that point. I don't remember this thing that you are talking about though, maybe an imposter? Maybe it was me, but Atreyu was around for a long time after that and I made my dominance over him pretty clear. I don't know why Alex would even list him as #2 after all these years of telling me that I am #2 because I always argued I was #1.
Either way it doesn't matter that much, but I was #1 a lot more than Atreyu was in the grand scheme of things when Alex wasn't around and even during spells when Alex was around. So...yeah anyway, it doesn't matter. I might come back now, I've been toying with the idea and if I can get back into form maybe I'll throwdown with the best again.
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Post by Ukyo on Dec 4, 2009 12:22:23 GMT -5
He quit long after XFL not that I even remember what that is. He was around during the Grand Tournament that Master ran as I posted somewhere else already and I beat him almost every time at that point. I don't remember this thing that you are talking about though, maybe an imposter? Maybe it was me, but Atreyu was around for a long time after that and I made my dominance over him pretty clear. I don't know why Alex would even list him as #2 after all these years of telling me that I am #2 because I always argued I was #1. Either way it doesn't matter that much, but I was #1 a lot more than Atreyu was in the grand scheme of things when Alex wasn't around and even during spells when Alex was around. So...yeah anyway, it doesn't matter. I might come back now, I've been toying with the idea and if I can get back into form maybe I'll throwdown with the best again. i wasn't around during the grand tournament. so if he was, i'm sorry then. i just know the last time'(s) i was around the both of you he was beating you. but. hey all the top fighters seem to disappear for long periods of time, we're all pretty good at that. so who knows and we definitely all get faked too people log on our names constantly
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Post by Phoenix on Dec 4, 2009 14:13:49 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you were around though you didn't compete in it. I remember before the tournament began it was like a few months I was beating Rave 4 - 0 when he messed up his CP and posted a v where my name was. He logged off immediately and then I didn't see him again for months.
I promise you that I am ahead of Rave on that list. In accomplishments and in terms of who was better in their prime. I've also beaten the better opponents.
That said, I already pointed out that I'm not going to worry about the rankings for a while. The all time that is. I'm just working on becoming the best again.
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Post by Ukyo on Dec 5, 2009 21:41:52 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you were around though you didn't compete in it. I remember before the tournament began it was like a few months I was beating Rave 4 - 0 when he messed up his CP and posted a v where my name was. He logged off immediately and then I didn't see him again for months. I promise you that I am ahead of Rave on that list. In accomplishments and in terms of who was better in their prime. I've also beaten the better opponents. That said, I already pointed out that I'm not going to worry about the rankings for a while. The all time that is. I'm just working on becoming the best again. ive never seen hiro get busted for c/p'ing names only heard about it. i never heard that time, but i heard he did on UG. the only person fast that ive ever legit seen get busted for c/p'ing names was prettz, while fighting atreyu. looooooooooong time ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 22:38:02 GMT -5
I ask a lot of fighters if they ever saw Kael or MG in a given amount of time in a chatroom. MG has gotten a little better at it, but .. remember this.
MG and Kael were never in a room for any given amount of time. So if there was a match for them, they would have to HEAR about it, not actually go run out and find that person.
I just kinda remembered that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 1:58:48 GMT -5
The reason why I asked such hard questions in the beginning of this forum is because I like people explaining themselves.
And plus, mind as well get the questions done now, instead of 5 years later when this forum is either dead or .. dead.
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Post by Trace Atrocity on Dec 8, 2009 5:37:24 GMT -5
You know I have only been around for about five years or so, but honestly I don't think I have ever heard of Mystic Knight Lance...I have heard of the top five, and had the chance to see you all fight once, or twice, but I don't think that there are many out there who could beat this top five.
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